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colorsofsocialjustice:

genderheretic:

"how does porn damage ME?"
&
“how does porn damage the women that participate in it?”

its not a coincidence that the first line is usually coming out of the mouth of a male porn user. even when learning about the damages of porn they seem to…

oh look a choice feminist! many of the ‘performers’ are coerced into performance, raped, addicted to drugs, trafficked. i care more about the damage the industry inflicts than the very few privileged porn stars who ‘chose’ their careers. come the fuck on.

And yet you still aren’t providing any sources like Colors asked.

I also never said that the porn industry was perfect, in fact if you actually read what I said, I did in fCt acknoweldge that these things happen BUT the porn industry. Is. Mammoth.

It’s. Fucking. Huge.

You can’t apply what happens in part of it to the whole.

There are so many different studios and directors with more emerging all the time.

So unless you happen to work IN the industry, maybe not speak for all the actors/actresses that DO enjoy their work.

i havent provided sources bc you can go into my anti porn an porn critical tag or do research to learn if you care to, whereas i know better than to actually invest time in people who prioritize the concept of free choice or exceptions to the rule that theres an industry that profits off womens bodies and abuse.

So that a no you don’t have any credible source then

really? you looked through my entire tag filled with STUDIES UPON STUDIES? here are a couple to keep you busy 
http://exgynocraticgrrl.tumblr.com/post/70299203979/the-anti-porn-and-porn-critical-research-pack

There aren’t even any links TO the studies in that post or the people that conducted them

you can’t google???? you don’t seem to want to learn although I’m taking my time to point you in a direction. This is the thing though, you guys don’t want to think that it *might* be a harmful industry (to both performers, consumers, and a society that gets more and more exposed to porn to the point that it’s mainstream). You’re not willing to read the facts. I supported porn too once until I learned the sad reality of it all. Don’t be willingly ignorant because you don’t want to be wrong. 


here are more studies with plenty of links
http://luaren.tumblr.com/post/79627230804/yeah-because-you-can-totally-tell-how-smart-i-am-based

critique of the gay/lesbian part of the industry 
http://drziggystardust.tumblr.com/post/68919568821/do-you-know-of-any-good-resources-posts-critiquing-the

a short but to the point psychiatric/social study
http://www.socialcostsofpornography.com//Layden_Pornography_and_Violence.pdf

a video for good measure, have you not read/watched ex porn star testimonials? 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAPDjRA3z3U

this is also really important, gail dines is a sociologist who focuses on porn and how it affects our culture and this is a presentation about just that - how it affects the mainstream culture to the point that it affects us even if we dont actively consume it (in the form of encouraging violence against women, rape culture, etc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z5iANEfQUU

First link: A tumblr post full of quotes and statistics half of which are not sourced.

Second link: Another Tumblr post with the same issue.

Third link: Psychological study with a bibliography half of which a sources are from THE 80’s

Are you kidding me

No one Denys that there are some serious issues within the porn industry. I have said now three times that I am aware that there are issues within the porn industry (yes including racial stereotyping, gender stereotyping, sexual orientation and identity stereotyping and that some studios are really skeevy and yes some of the actors and actresses DO contract STDs/STIs ) HOWEVER, AGAIN, the porn industry. Is. Huge. And there has been a lot of progress towards making things safe and comfortable for the actors and actresses, porn made by and for LGBTQIA people, and awareness and prevention of sexually transmitted diseases.

And YES, just as their are Strippers/Prostitutes/Escorts/ect that enjoy their jobs, so there are porn actors and actresses that enjoy what they do.

and the porn industry has only gotten more hardcore and violent since the 80s - the 80s are seen as the softcore nice days of porn!!! you are trying to find literally anything to discredit the staggering evidence of links of porn to male violence against women both in and outside the industry
also just bc someone enjoys something doesnt mean its ok, for them or the others participating when it fuels patriarchy and rape culture and violence against women and so many of them ‘enjoy’ it bc they themselves have been abused and cope by re-immersing themselves in situations of abuse and feigning control

You have yet to give me a properly linked, recent, relevant source. Not a
One.

You also claim porn is contributing to something that flat out doesnt exist (rape culture) and was co opted by radfems from prison culture.

You also seem to be incapable of the thought that people ACTUALLY IN the porn industry have been working to make it better for years. The same with other sex workers.

Your last insight is also incredibly incredibly insulting to…a lot of people actually.

so many of them ‘enjoy’ it bc they themselves have been abused and cope by re-immersing themselves in situations of abuse and feigning control” 

This sounds a lot like that shitty “interview” Tyra did with Sasha Grey where she slut shamed the entire time. 

Rape culture and patriarchy were discredited by RAINN. At this point, they’re just buzzwords

If you don’t have credible, peer reviewed sources, you can fuck off until you find some. 

How did you people pass high school composition when you can’t even write a decent argument or find valid sources? 

Nobody said that the porn industry doesn’t have issues. It obviously does. You can’t just say that the entirety of the porn industry is abusive because it’s SO FUCKING LARGE. No pun intended. Why is Stoya still doing it if it’s abusive and terrible? She definitely has enough money to stop. Also, do you know how many countries produce porn? Do you? Just think about all the people in the world that enjoy looking at naked people fucking. Just think about that for a moment.  

Did you ever think that some people are exhibitionists? That they enjoy fucking on camera? That choosing to do so makes them feel good? If a woman wants to be filmed taking ten dicks in the ass, then she can do what she damn well pleases. Now shut the fuck up and go have an orgasm, you crabby little twat. 

lmfaoo. yea compare one fucking performer stoya, the only example you guys can ever name, to the hundreds of abused and raped and coerced women. compare it to the exited performers that are brave enough to share the on set horrors.
youre comparing fucking on camera to the porn industry which is a false equivalence. im talking about the commercialized mainstream bullshit. its not simply about fucking. if you cant tell the diff between sex and pornography youre screwed. im actually an exhibitionist myself but that doesnt justify the porn industry at all. there are ways to exhibit yourself without abusing and raping women on camera and making a billion dollar industry out of it.
and patriarchy and rape culture are buzzwords? tell that to the entire school of social scientists that exist an write the peer reviewed studies about porn and its dangers and influence that you guys wont read bc it ruins ur flawed arguments. i have countless of links to studies and pdfs and books and videos all in my anti porn tag and i have also provided many in this thread and it seems no one has peeked the content, since apparently they dont exist. just do a fucking basic google search and you will find many. this isnt even a controversial statement anymore. this is psychologically an sociologically backed up.
but like im not even arguing w a feminist so idk how i can convince someone that doesnt prioritize womento prioritize the suffering of female sex workers over a few privileged mouthpieces for a corporate industry.

Since you cannot read, I’ll put this here again:

Nobody said that the porn industry doesn’t have issues. It obviously does. You can’t just say that the entirety of the porn industry is abusive because it’s SO FUCKING LARGE.

Your argument is based on a blanket statement. It’s a generalization. Literally only one example can be used to discredit your conclusion. If you say that EVERYTHING in the porn industry is terrible, and if we can find ONE person that proves that that is incorrect, it makes your argument incorrect. Sorry, but that’s how logic and debate work. Rewrite your argument until it is not faulty. 

Now, if you said that SOME aspects of the porn industry are a bit…rape-y, then I would agree with you. But you said that ALL aspects of the porn industry support rape, so I highly, highly disagree. 

And I suppose you’re going to move the goalpost yet again, right? 

I’ll make my own feminism with credible sources and a lack of slut shaming. 

Jesus christ.

When you are proving guilt on something it is your job to supply the sources. Modern sociology and psychology move so fast it is unbelievable. If we still used studies from the 80s, even the 90s, The DSM would be fucked. Social evolution would be fucked. Behavioural therapy would be fucked.

One single link. If you are at a college, it can even be behind a paywall as I have access to those.

Find me one link that is
- Hosted somewhere or discussed somewhere that is a know research location
- From the past 5 years.
- From an independent agency or a university
- by a researcher either with credentials in Psychology or Sociology.
- that contains either Original Meta-analysis from sourced material satisfying the above except for the inclusion of 5 more years in the time constraint. OR Original research with foundations from similar sourced material.

I’m not even saying it has to be journal published. Because I am nice.

Otherwise, Your argument has zero academic validity, zero psychological validity, zero sociological validity, zero symbolic logic validity, and zero debate validity and all you are doing is exactly what the people you claim to hate are doing, and any argument with you is fundamentally meaningless and redundant.

The point of being an activist is to be educated. Not to tell people to figure it out themselves. We didn’t fucking start the discussion. We’re asking you why -you- did. Fuck even the people on the corner up a block away that think Obama is Hitler have statistics and sources from political scientists, valid media outlets, and actual albeit biased known commentators, and their shit is ridiculous.

It takes me five seconds to source JOKE posts.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160252709000715

Jesus CHRIST it took me thirty seconds to find this shit

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1540-4560.1973.tb00094.x/abstract

How much do you ACTUALLY care about your activism?

read my reblog. the post is not fucking activism aimed at the pro porncommunity but literally a post i made sitting at my cubicle right after lunch break in 5 seconds INTHE ANTI PORN TAG if i EVEN tagged it.

Then just.

Stop.

Arguing.

If this post isn’t meant as activism, don’t treat it as such. Sit on a smug high horse like everyone else does with their beliefs, and just stop fucking arguing.

The thing with pure passion is the harder you try the faster you fall. If you really don’t care why are you still here? Go do something else with your time.

i started arguing bc the first person seemed genuinely open minded at first, then their followers who seem composed of anti sjw’s started jumping down my throat bc thats what they do. and i argue bc maybe it’ll cause them to explore my argument that im directing them to? like im seeing gross comments on a post that wasn meant to even be in their peripheral and thats upsetting and you think maybe theyll listen, i mean i had their stance once too. but nope. like if youre arguing against it on a post that didnt even get posted as a debate starter/untagged/ and youre then the initiator then you can do the research - that they dont even have to do bc its in my tags. but they dont wanna actually engage in critical thinking they just wanna try to discredit me on a post i didnt make for them.
if it isnt obv this is the first time one of myposts has gotten this many notes and im learning you shouldnt rly reply to every single comment or youll be doomed to engage w the worst ppl

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I do not understand these “well porn helps pedophiles not hurt real children!!!” people. Like even if they manage not to start out with actual child porn, do you not understand how brains work? Do you not understand how addiction works, how acclimatization…

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nihilistic-void:

genderheretic:

nihilistic-void:

roguesareth:

genderheretic:

roguesareth:

genderheretic:

roguesareth:

genderheretic:

roguesareth:

genderheretic:

roguesareth:

genderheretic:

colorsofsocialjustice:

genderheretic:

"how does porn damage ME?"
&
“how does porn damage the women that participate in it?”

its not a coincidence that the first line is usually coming out of the mouth of a male porn user. even when learning about the damages of porn they seem to…

oh look a choice feminist! many of the ‘performers’ are coerced into performance, raped, addicted to drugs, trafficked. i care more about the damage the industry inflicts than the very few privileged porn stars who ‘chose’ their careers. come the fuck on.

And yet you still aren’t providing any sources like Colors asked.

I also never said that the porn industry was perfect, in fact if you actually read what I said, I did in fCt acknoweldge that these things happen BUT the porn industry. Is. Mammoth.

It’s. Fucking. Huge.

You can’t apply what happens in part of it to the whole.

There are so many different studios and directors with more emerging all the time.

So unless you happen to work IN the industry, maybe not speak for all the actors/actresses that DO enjoy their work.

i havent provided sources bc you can go into my anti porn an porn critical tag or do research to learn if you care to, whereas i know better than to actually invest time in people who prioritize the concept of free choice or exceptions to the rule that theres an industry that profits off womens bodies and abuse.

So that a no you don’t have any credible source then

really? you looked through my entire tag filled with STUDIES UPON STUDIES? here are a couple to keep you busy 
http://exgynocraticgrrl.tumblr.com/post/70299203979/the-anti-porn-and-porn-critical-research-pack

There aren’t even any links TO the studies in that post or the people that conducted them

you can’t google???? you don’t seem to want to learn although I’m taking my time to point you in a direction. This is the thing though, you guys don’t want to think that it *might* be a harmful industry (to both performers, consumers, and a society that gets more and more exposed to porn to the point that it’s mainstream). You’re not willing to read the facts. I supported porn too once until I learned the sad reality of it all. Don’t be willingly ignorant because you don’t want to be wrong. 


here are more studies with plenty of links
http://luaren.tumblr.com/post/79627230804/yeah-because-you-can-totally-tell-how-smart-i-am-based

critique of the gay/lesbian part of the industry 
http://drziggystardust.tumblr.com/post/68919568821/do-you-know-of-any-good-resources-posts-critiquing-the

a short but to the point psychiatric/social study
http://www.socialcostsofpornography.com//Layden_Pornography_and_Violence.pdf

a video for good measure, have you not read/watched ex porn star testimonials? 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAPDjRA3z3U

this is also really important, gail dines is a sociologist who focuses on porn and how it affects our culture and this is a presentation about just that - how it affects the mainstream culture to the point that it affects us even if we dont actively consume it (in the form of encouraging violence against women, rape culture, etc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z5iANEfQUU

First link: A tumblr post full of quotes and statistics half of which are not sourced.

Second link: Another Tumblr post with the same issue.

Third link: Psychological study with a bibliography half of which a sources are from THE 80’s

Are you kidding me

No one Denys that there are some serious issues within the porn industry. I have said now three times that I am aware that there are issues within the porn industry (yes including racial stereotyping, gender stereotyping, sexual orientation and identity stereotyping and that some studios are really skeevy and yes some of the actors and actresses DO contract STDs/STIs ) HOWEVER, AGAIN, the porn industry. Is. Huge. And there has been a lot of progress towards making things safe and comfortable for the actors and actresses, porn made by and for LGBTQIA people, and awareness and prevention of sexually transmitted diseases.

And YES, just as their are Strippers/Prostitutes/Escorts/ect that enjoy their jobs, so there are porn actors and actresses that enjoy what they do.

and the porn industry has only gotten more hardcore and violent since the 80s - the 80s are seen as the softcore nice days of porn!!! you are trying to find literally anything to discredit the staggering evidence of links of porn to male violence against women both in and outside the industry
also just bc someone enjoys something doesnt mean its ok, for them or the others participating when it fuels patriarchy and rape culture and violence against women and so many of them ‘enjoy’ it bc they themselves have been abused and cope by re-immersing themselves in situations of abuse and feigning control

You have yet to give me a properly linked, recent, relevant source. Not a
One.

You also claim porn is contributing to something that flat out doesnt exist (rape culture) and was co opted by radfems from prison culture.

You also seem to be incapable of the thought that people ACTUALLY IN the porn industry have been working to make it better for years. The same with other sex workers.

Your last insight is also incredibly incredibly insulting to…a lot of people actually.

so many of them ‘enjoy’ it bc they themselves have been abused and cope by re-immersing themselves in situations of abuse and feigning control” 

This sounds a lot like that shitty “interview” Tyra did with Sasha Grey where she slut shamed the entire time. 

Rape culture and patriarchy were discredited by RAINN. At this point, they’re just buzzwords

If you don’t have credible, peer reviewed sources, you can fuck off until you find some. 

How did you people pass high school composition when you can’t even write a decent argument or find valid sources? 

Nobody said that the porn industry doesn’t have issues. It obviously does. You can’t just say that the entirety of the porn industry is abusive because it’s SO FUCKING LARGE. No pun intended. Why is Stoya still doing it if it’s abusive and terrible? She definitely has enough money to stop. Also, do you know how many countries produce porn? Do you? Just think about all the people in the world that enjoy looking at naked people fucking. Just think about that for a moment.  

Did you ever think that some people are exhibitionists? That they enjoy fucking on camera? That choosing to do so makes them feel good? If a woman wants to be filmed taking ten dicks in the ass, then she can do what she damn well pleases. Now shut the fuck up and go have an orgasm, you crabby little twat. 

lmfaoo. yea compare one fucking performer stoya, the only example you guys can ever name, to the hundreds of abused and raped and coerced women. compare it to the exited performers that are brave enough to share the on set horrors.
youre comparing fucking on camera to the porn industry which is a false equivalence. im talking about the commercialized mainstream bullshit. its not simply about fucking. if you cant tell the diff between sex and pornography youre screwed. im actually an exhibitionist myself but that doesnt justify the porn industry at all. there are ways to exhibit yourself without abusing and raping women on camera and making a billion dollar industry out of it.
and patriarchy and rape culture are buzzwords? tell that to the entire school of social scientists that exist an write the peer reviewed studies about porn and its dangers and influence that you guys wont read bc it ruins ur flawed arguments. i have countless of links to studies and pdfs and books and videos all in my anti porn tag and i have also provided many in this thread and it seems no one has peeked the content, since apparently they dont exist. just do a fucking basic google search and you will find many. this isnt even a controversial statement anymore. this is psychologically an sociologically backed up.
but like im not even arguing w a feminist so idk how i can convince someone that doesnt prioritize womento prioritize the suffering of female sex workers over a few privileged mouthpieces for a corporate industry.

Since you cannot read, I’ll put this here again:

Nobody said that the porn industry doesn’t have issues. It obviously does. You can’t just say that the entirety of the porn industry is abusive because it’s SO FUCKING LARGE.

Your argument is based on a blanket statement. It’s a generalization. Literally only one example can be used to discredit your conclusion. If you say that EVERYTHING in the porn industry is terrible, and if we can find ONE person that proves that that is incorrect, it makes your argument incorrect. Sorry, but that’s how logic and debate work. Rewrite your argument until it is not faulty. 

Now, if you said that SOME aspects of the porn industry are a bit…rape-y, then I would agree with you. But you said that ALL aspects of the porn industry support rape, so I highly, highly disagree. 

And I suppose you’re going to move the goalpost yet again, right? 

I’ll make my own feminism with credible sources and a lack of slut shaming. 

Jesus christ.

When you are proving guilt on something it is your job to supply the sources. Modern sociology and psychology move so fast it is unbelievable. If we still used studies from the 80s, even the 90s, The DSM would be fucked. Social evolution would be fucked. Behavioural therapy would be fucked.

One single link. If you are at a college, it can even be behind a paywall as I have access to those.

Find me one link that is
- Hosted somewhere or discussed somewhere that is a know research location
- From the past 5 years.
- From an independent agency or a university
- by a researcher either with credentials in Psychology or Sociology.
- that contains either Original Meta-analysis from sourced material satisfying the above except for the inclusion of 5 more years in the time constraint. OR Original research with foundations from similar sourced material.

I’m not even saying it has to be journal published. Because I am nice.

Otherwise, Your argument has zero academic validity, zero psychological validity, zero sociological validity, zero symbolic logic validity, and zero debate validity and all you are doing is exactly what the people you claim to hate are doing, and any argument with you is fundamentally meaningless and redundant.

The point of being an activist is to be educated. Not to tell people to figure it out themselves. We didn’t fucking start the discussion. We’re asking you why -you- did. Fuck even the people on the corner up a block away that think Obama is Hitler have statistics and sources from political scientists, valid media outlets, and actual albeit biased known commentators, and their shit is ridiculous.

It takes me five seconds to source JOKE posts.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160252709000715

Jesus CHRIST it took me thirty seconds to find this shit

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1540-4560.1973.tb00094.x/abstract

How much do you ACTUALLY care about your activism?

read my reblog. the post is not fucking activism aimed at the pro porncommunity but literally a post i made sitting at my cubicle right after lunch break in 5 seconds INTHE ANTI PORN TAG if i EVEN tagged it.

electronicforest

electronicforest:

nihilistic-void:

genderheretic:

nihilistic-void:

roguesareth:

genderheretic:

roguesareth:

genderheretic:

roguesareth:

genderheretic:

roguesareth:

genderheretic:

roguesareth:

genderheretic:

colorsofsocialjustice:

genderheretic:

"how does porn damage ME?"
&
“how does porn damage the women that participate in it?”

its not a coincidence that the first line is usually coming out of the mouth of a male porn user. even when learning about the damages of porn they seem to…

oh look a choice feminist! many of the ‘performers’ are coerced into performance, raped, addicted to drugs, trafficked. i care more about the damage the industry inflicts than the very few privileged porn stars who ‘chose’ their careers. come the fuck on.

And yet you still aren’t providing any sources like Colors asked.

I also never said that the porn industry was perfect, in fact if you actually read what I said, I did in fCt acknoweldge that these things happen BUT the porn industry. Is. Mammoth.

It’s. Fucking. Huge.

You can’t apply what happens in part of it to the whole.

There are so many different studios and directors with more emerging all the time.

So unless you happen to work IN the industry, maybe not speak for all the actors/actresses that DO enjoy their work.

i havent provided sources bc you can go into my anti porn an porn critical tag or do research to learn if you care to, whereas i know better than to actually invest time in people who prioritize the concept of free choice or exceptions to the rule that theres an industry that profits off womens bodies and abuse.

So that a no you don’t have any credible source then

really? you looked through my entire tag filled with STUDIES UPON STUDIES? here are a couple to keep you busy 
http://exgynocraticgrrl.tumblr.com/post/70299203979/the-anti-porn-and-porn-critical-research-pack

There aren’t even any links TO the studies in that post or the people that conducted them

you can’t google???? you don’t seem to want to learn although I’m taking my time to point you in a direction. This is the thing though, you guys don’t want to think that it *might* be a harmful industry (to both performers, consumers, and a society that gets more and more exposed to porn to the point that it’s mainstream). You’re not willing to read the facts. I supported porn too once until I learned the sad reality of it all. Don’t be willingly ignorant because you don’t want to be wrong. 


here are more studies with plenty of links
http://luaren.tumblr.com/post/79627230804/yeah-because-you-can-totally-tell-how-smart-i-am-based

critique of the gay/lesbian part of the industry 
http://drziggystardust.tumblr.com/post/68919568821/do-you-know-of-any-good-resources-posts-critiquing-the

a short but to the point psychiatric/social study
http://www.socialcostsofpornography.com//Layden_Pornography_and_Violence.pdf

a video for good measure, have you not read/watched ex porn star testimonials? 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAPDjRA3z3U

this is also really important, gail dines is a sociologist who focuses on porn and how it affects our culture and this is a presentation about just that - how it affects the mainstream culture to the point that it affects us even if we dont actively consume it (in the form of encouraging violence against women, rape culture, etc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z5iANEfQUU

First link: A tumblr post full of quotes and statistics half of which are not sourced.

Second link: Another Tumblr post with the same issue.

Third link: Psychological study with a bibliography half of which a sources are from THE 80’s

Are you kidding me

No one Denys that there are some serious issues within the porn industry. I have said now three times that I am aware that there are issues within the porn industry (yes including racial stereotyping, gender stereotyping, sexual orientation and identity stereotyping and that some studios are really skeevy and yes some of the actors and actresses DO contract STDs/STIs ) HOWEVER, AGAIN, the porn industry. Is. Huge. And there has been a lot of progress towards making things safe and comfortable for the actors and actresses, porn made by and for LGBTQIA people, and awareness and prevention of sexually transmitted diseases.

And YES, just as their are Strippers/Prostitutes/Escorts/ect that enjoy their jobs, so there are porn actors and actresses that enjoy what they do.

and the porn industry has only gotten more hardcore and violent since the 80s - the 80s are seen as the softcore nice days of porn!!! you are trying to find literally anything to discredit the staggering evidence of links of porn to male violence against women both in and outside the industry
also just bc someone enjoys something doesnt mean its ok, for them or the others participating when it fuels patriarchy and rape culture and violence against women and so many of them ‘enjoy’ it bc they themselves have been abused and cope by re-immersing themselves in situations of abuse and feigning control

You have yet to give me a properly linked, recent, relevant source. Not a
One.

You also claim porn is contributing to something that flat out doesnt exist (rape culture) and was co opted by radfems from prison culture.

You also seem to be incapable of the thought that people ACTUALLY IN the porn industry have been working to make it better for years. The same with other sex workers.

Your last insight is also incredibly incredibly insulting to…a lot of people actually.

so many of them ‘enjoy’ it bc they themselves have been abused and cope by re-immersing themselves in situations of abuse and feigning control” 

This sounds a lot like that shitty “interview” Tyra did with Sasha Grey where she slut shamed the entire time. 

Rape culture and patriarchy were discredited by RAINN. At this point, they’re just buzzwords

If you don’t have credible, peer reviewed sources, you can fuck off until you find some. 

How did you people pass high school composition when you can’t even write a decent argument or find valid sources? 

Nobody said that the porn industry doesn’t have issues. It obviously does. You can’t just say that the entirety of the porn industry is abusive because it’s SO FUCKING LARGE. No pun intended. Why is Stoya still doing it if it’s abusive and terrible? She definitely has enough money to stop. Also, do you know how many countries produce porn? Do you? Just think about all the people in the world that enjoy looking at naked people fucking. Just think about that for a moment.  

Did you ever think that some people are exhibitionists? That they enjoy fucking on camera? That choosing to do so makes them feel good? If a woman wants to be filmed taking ten dicks in the ass, then she can do what she damn well pleases. Now shut the fuck up and go have an orgasm, you crabby little twat. 

lmfaoo. yea compare one fucking performer stoya, the only example you guys can ever name, to the hundreds of abused and raped and coerced women. compare it to the exited performers that are brave enough to share the on set horrors.
youre comparing fucking on camera to the porn industry which is a false equivalence. im talking about the commercialized mainstream bullshit. its not simply about fucking. if you cant tell the diff between sex and pornography youre screwed. im actually an exhibitionist myself but that doesnt justify the porn industry at all. there are ways to exhibit yourself without abusing and raping women on camera and making a billion dollar industry out of it.
and patriarchy and rape culture are buzzwords? tell that to the entire school of social scientists that exist an write the peer reviewed studies about porn and its dangers and influence that you guys wont read bc it ruins ur flawed arguments. i have countless of links to studies and pdfs and books and videos all in my anti porn tag and i have also provided many in this thread and it seems no one has peeked the content, since apparently they dont exist. just do a fucking basic google search and you will find many. this isnt even a controversial statement anymore. this is psychologically an sociologically backed up.
but like im not even arguing w a feminist so idk how i can convince someone that doesnt prioritize womento prioritize the suffering of female sex workers over a few privileged mouthpieces for a corporate industry.

Since you cannot read, I’ll put this here again:

Nobody said that the porn industry doesn’t have issues. It obviously does. You can’t just say that the entirety of the porn industry is abusive because it’s SO FUCKING LARGE.

Your argument is based on a blanket statement. It’s a generalization. Literally only one example can be used to discredit your conclusion. If you say that EVERYTHING in the porn industry is terrible, and if we can find ONE person that proves that that is incorrect, it makes your argument incorrect. Sorry, but that’s how logic and debate work. Rewrite your argument until it is not faulty. 

Now, if you said that SOME aspects of the porn industry are a bit…rape-y, then I would agree with you. But you said that ALL aspects of the porn industry support rape, so I highly, highly disagree. 

And I suppose you’re going to move the goalpost yet again, right? 

I’ll make my own feminism with credible sources and a lack of slut shaming. 

Jesus christ.

When you are proving guilt on something it is your job to supply the sources. Modern sociology and psychology move so fast it is unbelievable. If we still used studies from the 80s, even the 90s, The DSM would be fucked. Social evolution would be fucked. Behavioural therapy would be fucked.

One single link. If you are at a college, it can even be behind a paywall as I have access to those.

Find me one link that is
- Hosted somewhere or discussed somewhere that is a know research location
- From the past 5 years.
- From an independent agency or a university
- by a researcher either with credentials in Psychology or Sociology.
- that contains either Original Meta-analysis from sourced material satisfying the above except for the inclusion of 5 more years in the time constraint. OR Original research with foundations from similar sourced material.

I’m not even saying it has to be journal published. Because I am nice.

Otherwise, Your argument has zero academic validity, zero psychological validity, zero sociological validity, zero symbolic logic validity, and zero debate validity and all you are doing is exactly what the people you claim to hate are doing, and any argument with you is fundamentally meaningless and redundant.

The point of being an activist is to be educated. Not to tell people to figure it out themselves. We didn’t fucking start the discussion. We’re asking you why -you- did. Fuck even the people on the corner up a block away that think Obama is Hitler have statistics and sources from political scientists, valid media outlets, and actual albeit biased known commentators, and their shit is ridiculous.

It takes me five seconds to source JOKE posts.

thing is, i didnt make the post for you guys, i didnt begin an argument or debate. i made it for my relative community of anti porn/porn critical radical feminists and then some pro porn ppl stumbled upon it and started this. if i had posted it in the porn tag or in you guys’ community directly somehow, id understand your logic. but i tagged it anti porn and did not intend it to become a pro vs anti debate bc obv thats fucking useless & for the 373733th time all my sources can be found in my anti porn/porn industry tag and you can research yrself. otherwise i would definitely get off my mobile app and onto my desktop and supply some comprehensible data but my intention w the op wasnt to persuade or argue. otherwise i wouldve provided all that stuff with the op. but again if you want to learn about the stance so badly yr welcome to browse.
also social theories do move fast but feminist theory hasnt changed core principles and being critical of industries such as porn is one of them, unless youre dipping into the neoliberal postmodern mess that feminism has become within the past couple of yrs, which obv has yet to be inscribed into textbooks as the worst dump ever taken on social issues but
but as far as porn is concerned its not argued that it doesnt have an effect at all but more like wah moral relativism and indiviualists and anti feminists saying who cares tho, like the interpretation of its effects are where stuff diverges

Anonymous asked:

I have a close friend who is vocal about her sexual conquests with different men and has openly admitted to me that she feels nothing and yet she still continues. She understands that her self esteem is very much set on the validation of men. However,she has no desire to change because of how accustom she's become to it.I'm really concerned for her but feel as if I shouldn't impose my stance on men as a feminist because i fear that it may insult her.

youre coming from a place of genuine compassion and concern though. definitely talk to her about it! and having a critical convo w a feminist is a great thing for anyone even if they dont listen, maybe she’ll second guess some of the things she’s internalized

Anonymous asked:

Where does one draw the line between personal choice and internalized sexuality?Is there any discourse on promiscuity in female sexuality in feminism?

well were not here to tell you what your sexuality is. were here to give you the tools to be able to uncode it from the garbage youve internalized.

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colorsofsocialjustice:

genderheretic:

"how does porn damage ME?"
&
“how does porn damage the women that participate in it?”

its not a coincidence that the first line is usually coming out of the mouth of a male porn user. even when learning about the damages of porn they seem to…

oh look a choice feminist! many of the ‘performers’ are coerced into performance, raped, addicted to drugs, trafficked. i care more about the damage the industry inflicts than the very few privileged porn stars who ‘chose’ their careers. come the fuck on.

And yet you still aren’t providing any sources like Colors asked.

I also never said that the porn industry was perfect, in fact if you actually read what I said, I did in fCt acknoweldge that these things happen BUT the porn industry. Is. Mammoth.

It’s. Fucking. Huge.

You can’t apply what happens in part of it to the whole.

There are so many different studios and directors with more emerging all the time.

So unless you happen to work IN the industry, maybe not speak for all the actors/actresses that DO enjoy their work.

i havent provided sources bc you can go into my anti porn an porn critical tag or do research to learn if you care to, whereas i know better than to actually invest time in people who prioritize the concept of free choice or exceptions to the rule that theres an industry that profits off womens bodies and abuse.

So that a no you don’t have any credible source then

really? you looked through my entire tag filled with STUDIES UPON STUDIES? here are a couple to keep you busy 
http://exgynocraticgrrl.tumblr.com/post/70299203979/the-anti-porn-and-porn-critical-research-pack

There aren’t even any links TO the studies in that post or the people that conducted them

you can’t google???? you don’t seem to want to learn although I’m taking my time to point you in a direction. This is the thing though, you guys don’t want to think that it *might* be a harmful industry (to both performers, consumers, and a society that gets more and more exposed to porn to the point that it’s mainstream). You’re not willing to read the facts. I supported porn too once until I learned the sad reality of it all. Don’t be willingly ignorant because you don’t want to be wrong. 


here are more studies with plenty of links
http://luaren.tumblr.com/post/79627230804/yeah-because-you-can-totally-tell-how-smart-i-am-based

critique of the gay/lesbian part of the industry 
http://drziggystardust.tumblr.com/post/68919568821/do-you-know-of-any-good-resources-posts-critiquing-the

a short but to the point psychiatric/social study
http://www.socialcostsofpornography.com//Layden_Pornography_and_Violence.pdf

a video for good measure, have you not read/watched ex porn star testimonials? 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAPDjRA3z3U

this is also really important, gail dines is a sociologist who focuses on porn and how it affects our culture and this is a presentation about just that - how it affects the mainstream culture to the point that it affects us even if we dont actively consume it (in the form of encouraging violence against women, rape culture, etc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z5iANEfQUU

First link: A tumblr post full of quotes and statistics half of which are not sourced.

Second link: Another Tumblr post with the same issue.

Third link: Psychological study with a bibliography half of which a sources are from THE 80’s

Are you kidding me

No one Denys that there are some serious issues within the porn industry. I have said now three times that I am aware that there are issues within the porn industry (yes including racial stereotyping, gender stereotyping, sexual orientation and identity stereotyping and that some studios are really skeevy and yes some of the actors and actresses DO contract STDs/STIs ) HOWEVER, AGAIN, the porn industry. Is. Huge. And there has been a lot of progress towards making things safe and comfortable for the actors and actresses, porn made by and for LGBTQIA people, and awareness and prevention of sexually transmitted diseases.

And YES, just as their are Strippers/Prostitutes/Escorts/ect that enjoy their jobs, so there are porn actors and actresses that enjoy what they do.

and the porn industry has only gotten more hardcore and violent since the 80s - the 80s are seen as the softcore nice days of porn!!! you are trying to find literally anything to discredit the staggering evidence of links of porn to male violence against women both in and outside the industry
also just bc someone enjoys something doesnt mean its ok, for them or the others participating when it fuels patriarchy and rape culture and violence against women and so many of them ‘enjoy’ it bc they themselves have been abused and cope by re-immersing themselves in situations of abuse and feigning control

You have yet to give me a properly linked, recent, relevant source. Not a
One.

You also claim porn is contributing to something that flat out doesnt exist (rape culture) and was co opted by radfems from prison culture.

You also seem to be incapable of the thought that people ACTUALLY IN the porn industry have been working to make it better for years. The same with other sex workers.

Your last insight is also incredibly incredibly insulting to…a lot of people actually.

so many of them ‘enjoy’ it bc they themselves have been abused and cope by re-immersing themselves in situations of abuse and feigning control” 

This sounds a lot like that shitty “interview” Tyra did with Sasha Grey where she slut shamed the entire time. 

Rape culture and patriarchy were discredited by RAINN. At this point, they’re just buzzwords

If you don’t have credible, peer reviewed sources, you can fuck off until you find some. 

How did you people pass high school composition when you can’t even write a decent argument or find valid sources? 

Nobody said that the porn industry doesn’t have issues. It obviously does. You can’t just say that the entirety of the porn industry is abusive because it’s SO FUCKING LARGE. No pun intended. Why is Stoya still doing it if it’s abusive and terrible? She definitely has enough money to stop. Also, do you know how many countries produce porn? Do you? Just think about all the people in the world that enjoy looking at naked people fucking. Just think about that for a moment.  

Did you ever think that some people are exhibitionists? That they enjoy fucking on camera? That choosing to do so makes them feel good? If a woman wants to be filmed taking ten dicks in the ass, then she can do what she damn well pleases. Now shut the fuck up and go have an orgasm, you crabby little twat. 

lmfaoo. yea compare one fucking performer stoya, the only example you guys can ever name, to the hundreds of abused and raped and coerced women. compare it to the exited performers that are brave enough to share the on set horrors.
youre comparing fucking on camera to the porn industry which is a false equivalence. im talking about the commercialized mainstream bullshit. its not simply about fucking. if you cant tell the diff between sex and pornography youre screwed. im actually an exhibitionist myself but that doesnt justify the porn industry at all. there are ways to exhibit yourself without abusing and raping women on camera and making a billion dollar industry out of it.
and patriarchy and rape culture are buzzwords? tell that to the entire school of social scientists that exist an write the peer reviewed studies about porn and its dangers and influence that you guys wont read bc it ruins ur flawed arguments. i have countless of links to studies and pdfs and books and videos all in my anti porn tag and i have also provided many in this thread and it seems no one has peeked the content, since apparently they dont exist. just do a fucking basic google search and you will find many. this isnt even a controversial statement anymore. this is psychologically an sociologically backed up.
but like im not even arguing w a feminist so idk how i can convince someone that doesnt prioritize womento prioritize the suffering of female sex workers over a few privileged mouthpieces for a corporate industry.

Since you cannot read, I’ll put this here again:

Nobody said that the porn industry doesn’t have issues. It obviously does. You can’t just say that the entirety of the porn industry is abusive because it’s SO FUCKING LARGE.

Your argument is based on a blanket statement. It’s a generalization. Literally only one example can be used to discredit your conclusion. If you say that EVERYTHING in the porn industry is terrible, and if we can find ONE person that proves that that is incorrect, it makes your argument incorrect. Sorry, but that’s how logic and debate work. Rewrite your argument until it is not faulty. 

Now, if you said that SOME aspects of the porn industry are a bit…rape-y, then I would agree with you. But you said that ALL aspects of the porn industry support rape, so I highly, highly disagree. 

And I suppose you’re going to move the goalpost yet again, right? 

I’ll make my own feminism with credible sources and a lack of slut shaming. 

ok no. criticizing an industry that makes movies calling women dirty sluts is not slur shaming lmao. im not criticizing the individual women that go into it either. again, the industry generally is run by men for men. the way an industry works is that if you monetarily support it by consuming it, you are supporting the shitty parts as well. and again porn distributers are like About 3 main companies and even the little indie stuff has even supported the fetishization of pedophilia and rape. although ofc that fails to compare to the larger mainstream industry that is sooo powerful that it even permeates our mainstream pop culture!!
and yea i guess it is a blanket statement in the sense that i am speaking in general terms aka what mostly happens in the porn industry as supported by more sources than your insistent out cry of a handful of happy spokeswomen for the porn industry (who i do not shame for their actions but disagree w them politically). theyre producing a trope that the industry wants them to, its like a capitalist bootstraps myth like ‘im a skinny white upperclass woman who made it in porn’ except their success was already steeped in privilege an is about 1 percent of the story.

nihilistic-void

nihilistic-void:

roguesareth:

genderheretic:

roguesareth:

genderheretic:

roguesareth:

genderheretic:

roguesareth:

genderheretic:

roguesareth:

genderheretic:

colorsofsocialjustice:

genderheretic:

"how does porn damage ME?"
&
“how does porn damage the women that participate in it?”

its not a coincidence that the first line is usually coming out of the mouth of a male porn user. even when learning about the damages of porn they seem to…

oh look a choice feminist! many of the ‘performers’ are coerced into performance, raped, addicted to drugs, trafficked. i care more about the damage the industry inflicts than the very few privileged porn stars who ‘chose’ their careers. come the fuck on.

And yet you still aren’t providing any sources like Colors asked.

I also never said that the porn industry was perfect, in fact if you actually read what I said, I did in fCt acknoweldge that these things happen BUT the porn industry. Is. Mammoth.

It’s. Fucking. Huge.

You can’t apply what happens in part of it to the whole.

There are so many different studios and directors with more emerging all the time.

So unless you happen to work IN the industry, maybe not speak for all the actors/actresses that DO enjoy their work.

i havent provided sources bc you can go into my anti porn an porn critical tag or do research to learn if you care to, whereas i know better than to actually invest time in people who prioritize the concept of free choice or exceptions to the rule that theres an industry that profits off womens bodies and abuse.

So that a no you don’t have any credible source then

really? you looked through my entire tag filled with STUDIES UPON STUDIES? here are a couple to keep you busy 
http://exgynocraticgrrl.tumblr.com/post/70299203979/the-anti-porn-and-porn-critical-research-pack

There aren’t even any links TO the studies in that post or the people that conducted them

you can’t google???? you don’t seem to want to learn although I’m taking my time to point you in a direction. This is the thing though, you guys don’t want to think that it *might* be a harmful industry (to both performers, consumers, and a society that gets more and more exposed to porn to the point that it’s mainstream). You’re not willing to read the facts. I supported porn too once until I learned the sad reality of it all. Don’t be willingly ignorant because you don’t want to be wrong. 


here are more studies with plenty of links
http://luaren.tumblr.com/post/79627230804/yeah-because-you-can-totally-tell-how-smart-i-am-based

critique of the gay/lesbian part of the industry 
http://drziggystardust.tumblr.com/post/68919568821/do-you-know-of-any-good-resources-posts-critiquing-the

a short but to the point psychiatric/social study
http://www.socialcostsofpornography.com//Layden_Pornography_and_Violence.pdf

a video for good measure, have you not read/watched ex porn star testimonials? 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAPDjRA3z3U

this is also really important, gail dines is a sociologist who focuses on porn and how it affects our culture and this is a presentation about just that - how it affects the mainstream culture to the point that it affects us even if we dont actively consume it (in the form of encouraging violence against women, rape culture, etc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z5iANEfQUU

First link: A tumblr post full of quotes and statistics half of which are not sourced.

Second link: Another Tumblr post with the same issue.

Third link: Psychological study with a bibliography half of which a sources are from THE 80’s

Are you kidding me

No one Denys that there are some serious issues within the porn industry. I have said now three times that I am aware that there are issues within the porn industry (yes including racial stereotyping, gender stereotyping, sexual orientation and identity stereotyping and that some studios are really skeevy and yes some of the actors and actresses DO contract STDs/STIs ) HOWEVER, AGAIN, the porn industry. Is. Huge. And there has been a lot of progress towards making things safe and comfortable for the actors and actresses, porn made by and for LGBTQIA people, and awareness and prevention of sexually transmitted diseases.

And YES, just as their are Strippers/Prostitutes/Escorts/ect that enjoy their jobs, so there are porn actors and actresses that enjoy what they do.

and the porn industry has only gotten more hardcore and violent since the 80s - the 80s are seen as the softcore nice days of porn!!! you are trying to find literally anything to discredit the staggering evidence of links of porn to male violence against women both in and outside the industry
also just bc someone enjoys something doesnt mean its ok, for them or the others participating when it fuels patriarchy and rape culture and violence against women and so many of them ‘enjoy’ it bc they themselves have been abused and cope by re-immersing themselves in situations of abuse and feigning control

You have yet to give me a properly linked, recent, relevant source. Not a
One.

You also claim porn is contributing to something that flat out doesnt exist (rape culture) and was co opted by radfems from prison culture.

You also seem to be incapable of the thought that people ACTUALLY IN the porn industry have been working to make it better for years. The same with other sex workers.

Your last insight is also incredibly incredibly insulting to…a lot of people actually.

so many of them ‘enjoy’ it bc they themselves have been abused and cope by re-immersing themselves in situations of abuse and feigning control” 

This sounds a lot like that shitty “interview” Tyra did with Sasha Grey where she slut shamed the entire time. 

Rape culture and patriarchy were discredited by RAINN. At this point, they’re just buzzwords

If you don’t have credible, peer reviewed sources, you can fuck off until you find some. 

How did you people pass high school composition when you can’t even write a decent argument or find valid sources? 

Nobody said that the porn industry doesn’t have issues. It obviously does. You can’t just say that the entirety of the porn industry is abusive because it’s SO FUCKING LARGE. No pun intended. Why is Stoya still doing it if it’s abusive and terrible? She definitely has enough money to stop. Also, do you know how many countries produce porn? Do you? Just think about all the people in the world that enjoy looking at naked people fucking. Just think about that for a moment.  

Did you ever think that some people are exhibitionists? That they enjoy fucking on camera? That choosing to do so makes them feel good? If a woman wants to be filmed taking ten dicks in the ass, then she can do what she damn well pleases. Now shut the fuck up and go have an orgasm, you crabby little twat. 

lmfaoo. yea compare one fucking performer stoya, the only example you guys can ever name, to the hundreds of abused and raped and coerced women. compare it to the exited performers that are brave enough to share the on set horrors.
youre comparing fucking on camera to the porn industry which is a false equivalence. im talking about the commercialized mainstream bullshit. its not simply about fucking. if you cant tell the diff between sex and pornography youre screwed. im actually an exhibitionist myself but that doesnt justify the porn industry at all. there are ways to exhibit yourself without abusing and raping women on camera and making a billion dollar industry out of it.
and patriarchy and rape culture are buzzwords? tell that to the entire school of social scientists that exist an write the peer reviewed studies about porn and its dangers and influence that you guys wont read bc it ruins ur flawed arguments. i have countless of links to studies and pdfs and books and videos all in my anti porn tag and i have also provided many in this thread and it seems no one has peeked the content, since apparently they dont exist. just do a fucking basic google search and you will find many. this isnt even a controversial statement anymore. this is psychologically an sociologically backed up.
but like im not even arguing w a feminist so idk how i can convince someone that doesnt prioritize womento prioritize the suffering of female sex workers over a few privileged mouthpieces for a corporate industry.